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and if you fling a butterknife at full strength it's going to hurt especially in the face

@@Kretterlee see how you said "butter knife" and not "real knife"... I feel like you're proving my point, it's the context and the choice of words. 👍 You added the important part, you didn't just say "a knife is typically not sharp" because that would have been stupid because they are. "Knife" and "butter knife" mean different things, especially in the context I'm providing.

@@thepenguinhousea knife absolutely does have to be sharp... I don't think declaring sharpness as a defining feature of a knife is all that controversial a thing to say. 🤣 The point of the video is getting to the reality of what actually happened... I can't not be scrupulous of the details. People hear "real knife" and make obvious assumptions as to the risk, and pretending they don't is just a bad faith argument. Thanks for watching. 👋

@@KnightSquire The risk is a hunk of metal thrown at him the sharpness doesn't add that much. Also we have all kinds of dull knives we use everyday, sharpness doesn't determine if something is a knife or not. Thats like saying a gun that shoots blanks is not a gun.

Isn't it the fact that it's so incredibly stupid to have live animation at all on that set exactly what Alec Baldwin's defence was built on?? It shouldn't have been there, and it shouldn't have been identical. I stand by the fact that it's unbelievable they would have a practical sharp around at all, let alone have it nearby for throwing. Knives and a pretend knife that you would throw at someone on a set ARE NOT similar. And you wouldn't have a half blind person grabbing em and throwing em. I think the point stands.

@ my point I’m making is it can happen as evident with the Rust movie set so it’s not impossible it could’ve happened on LOTR. Think of a movie set as just like any other work place and you wouldn’t believe the amount of stupid things that happen in a place of work

@TheMan-je5xq I understand your point, I don't think you understand mine fully though. Comparing live rounds, that in my (and the courts) opinion were nigh indistinguishable from the dummy rounds, that WERE being deliberately shot in the direction of a human being, Is not comparable to the difference inherent in a dummy knife that you throw at anyone. Again... It was intended, and obviously wasn't sharp. An outlier about a bullet, is not comparable, which is why I wouldn't bring up what happened to Brandon Lee either. People don't accidentally use sharp swords on set... You'd know immediately. But we can agree to disagree I suppose. I'm not not accounting for human error... But the people making tLotR always seemed extremely well prepared, so I always doubted the myths about what happened. 👍

@@FalseEdgeHEMA and back for good. ⚔️♥️

It seems so.

yeah I think most people thought "real" meant it wasn't a light prop not that it would have killed him

If you want to know what happened in that scene, watch the extras in the extended editions of the movies.

@@luciensand7670 just a fun topic man, tbh I believed the stories for a long while... and whenever I googled it came up with a bunch of Reddit posts or articles continuing the myth. Maybe you're a better googler than me, I had to dig a bit. 🤣

Next weeks is already ready to go. Back to it. Thanks for watching despite the wait. ❤

I honestly hadn't even considered that. 😂 You're probably right. That section was mostly to highlight that people do use some terms loosely, I'd still be VERY surprised if it was a blunt steel knife though to be honest...

No, it was clearly a real shot, no one denies that. "Real knife" vs "fake knife" has always referred to the kind of knife thrown. All the stories about it are that he was supposed to physically throw a fake knife, but threw a real one instead. Not that he was supposed to throw nothing at all for them to composite something in later.

@@jacobclark6002 Perhaps the internet speculators didn't consider a digital knife, but production did, and I think that's what the quote from the director in this video was referring to. The rumours are based on the quote. I don't have a stake in the rumours, I'm just commenting on the quote.

This makes more sense than people saying "I thought they meant 'fake knife' as in a CGI/composite." "I thought he was supposed to physically throw nothing" is what they're saying and that makes absolutely zero sense.

That's what I always assumed people meant. I always assumed it wasn't a sharp or even metal knife and Viggo wasn't actually in mortal danger lol

The stories have never been that he was supposed to throw nothing at all. But that he was supposed to physically throw a fake knife, and threw a real one instead.

Tricky one... I suppose that's a question of how much you can remove from an object before it stops being that object. If you stripped a car of all but it's door, I wouldn't call it a car. I think a knife being a singular item is easier to define on these terms. We do it in HEMA all the time, we call blunts and feders "swords" but they aren't swords, they are "blunt swords", or "training weapons" but everyone knows what you mean. The specificity of "real knife" is just important in this particular case. You wouldn't call a metal bar a wrench... unless it does the job a wrench does. I guess in your example, it's a "broken car" or "car without wheels". Put it this way, you wouldn't be happy if someone sold you it as a "CAR" and it had no wheels. 😂

@@MaxTheGamingMan funny fight review on a daft film next week. 😁👍 Ta for watching

@@eth3244 got another 6 videos filmed and another 2 edited. Longer than this one mind you. Next one next week mate. Ta for watching.

Absolutely, I started the club probably about 9 years ago, started as a study group and then I spent about 5 years (after lots of experience) as the instructor. Now a few of my awesome long term guys instruct the beginners, I mostly instruct our sparring members and fence these days. ❤ The new fight reviews (one of which is out next week) will have sections showing examples of what I would do differently, they're all filmed at the club. 😁

Thank you for the support, back to weekly updates now I have the setup, I already have a bunch filmed. 😁👍

i wonder if ninja eugene will make a cameo

@ Ha Ha Ha! God, I hope so. He’s the reason I subscribed so many years ago.

Please please please bring back Eugene lol

@@bombfog1 Eugene is in fact returning to making videos, he wanted to spend his time out of the spotlight focusing on his training, and catching up on Attack on Titan. Expect something really soon. 👍

@@astaldo1117 I've been fencing, and teaching historical fencing for over 10 years. Appreciate your comment, you wally.